Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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Did anyone else go to this weeks midweek meeting?

by NikL in

in the congregation bible study, the book addressed how "truth" is progressive.... 18 just as jehovah progressively revealed truths about the kingdom in the period leading up to 1914, he continues to do so during the time of the end.

as chapters 4 and 5 of this book will show, over the past 100 years, god’s people have had to adjust their understanding on a number of occasions.

does that fact mean that they do not have jehovah’s backing?

Ultimate Axiom

It seems to be a safe rule to follow, that prophecy can not be understood by us until it is fulfilled or in the course of fulfilment.

It doesn’t appear to be of much use then, does it? Funny how the WT only applies this rule when their ‘understanding’ about a prophecy proves to be wrong. After all, their ‘understanding’ right now is that the following will all happen in the ‘near future’;
Phase 1: Precursor of “sudden destruction”
• nations will be saying, “Peace and security!”
• final sealing of the anointed remnant (the 144,000)
Phase 2: The Great Tribulation Begins
• Attack on religion by the United Nations
• The attack will be cut short
Phase 3: Events leading up to Armageddon
• Celestial phenomena
• Judgment pronounced on all God’ enemies
• All-out attack on all of Jehovah’s people
• Gathering of the anointed remnant to heaven
Phase 4: Armageddon
• Jehovah will rescue his people under attack
• Execution and removal of all human enemies of God’s Kingdom
They clearly haven’t applied the rule to this pile of crap.

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Learn To Speak Like A Jehovah's Witness

by pale.emperor in

for those who were never a jw, here's a fun guide to passing yourself as one:.

privilege [priv-lij] - a duty nobody would volunteer to do which is assigned to you without your say so.

such as cleaning the toilets, picking up other brats candy wrappers in the back row and being stuck on locking up duty for the 7th time in a row.. df'd [dee-eff'd] - disfellowshipped.

Ultimate Axiom

OLD TRUTH - Stuff that the passage of time has proven false, but was true at the time.

NEW LIGHT – The stuff that is true now, even though the passage of time may prove it to be false later.

FALSE PROPHET - Those who purport to be prophets of God but who are proven false by their record of failure (excludes the WTS).

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Well, I thought they were funny.

by Ultimate Axiom in

like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

church car park sign... “for members only.

trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

Ultimate Axiom

Vidiot, not sure if your question was part serious, but just in case, in the Anglican Church the resident minister is known as a Vicar, and he/she lives in the Vicarage.

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Well, I thought they were funny.

by Ultimate Axiom in

like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

church car park sign... “for members only.

trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

Ultimate Axiom

A few more signs seen outside churches;

Seven days without Christ makes one weak.
No God – No Peace. Know God – Know Peace
Free trip to Heaven. Details inside
Come in and pray today. Beat the Christmas rush.
Thursday at 10am there will be a meeting of the little Mothers Club. All those wishing to become Little Mothers please see our new minister in the vicarage.

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

Ultimate Axiom

Yes, they have admitted in print that they are not inspired and not always right;

“… the “faithful and discreet slave” has alerted all of God’s people to the sign of the times indicating the nearness of God’s Kingdom rule. In this regard, however, it must be observed that this “faithful and discreet slave” was never inspired, never perfect.” (Watchtower, March 1, 1979, page 23).

“Jehovah’s Witnesses today … do not claim that this slave class is infallible” (Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 1993, page 626).

That however is not rellevant, because THEY MUST BE TREATED AS IF THEY WERE;

“It is vital that we … respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God.” (Watchtower, June 15, 1957, page 371).

“To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization ... Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.” (Watchtower, May 1, 1959, page 269).

“… a mature Christian … does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by ... “the faithful and discreet slave.”” (Watchtower, August 1, 2001, page 14).

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Well, I thought they were funny.

by Ultimate Axiom in

like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

church car park sign... “for members only.

trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

Ultimate Axiom

Like many others, our local Church produces a newsletter. In it were the following;

Church car park sign... “For Members Only. Trespassers will be baptised”.

A Sunday school teacher asked, “Johnny, do you think Noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the Ark?” “No,” replied Johnny, “How could he, with just two worms?”

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Why are JWs so sensitive to criticism?

by Half banana in

i remember a roman catholic priest acknowledging on the bbc that the outrageously anti-clerical tv comedy father ted was a humorous mocking of his church but an acceptable thing.. try mocking the jw religion to a believer and the result is so very different.. just why is it that jehovah's witnesses can never take even the faintest hint of criticism of their religion?.

Ultimate Axiom

I’m not entirely sure the average Dub is so sensitive to criticism, at least that’s not been my experience of late. Mind you, I don’t get to see them much these days, I haven’t had a call in about three years. But one thing’s for certain, the GB are on a par with the Muslims when it comes to sensitivity to it. And you can see they would go apoplectic if you were to hold their TV performances up to ridicule.

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Why are JWs so sensitive to criticism?

by Half banana in

i remember a roman catholic priest acknowledging on the bbc that the outrageously anti-clerical tv comedy father ted was a humorous mocking of his church but an acceptable thing.. try mocking the jw religion to a believer and the result is so very different.. just why is it that jehovah's witnesses can never take even the faintest hint of criticism of their religion?.

Ultimate Axiom

Try mocking Islam to even an even unbelieving Moslem and the result will be different still.

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How can anyone who is truly spiritual-minded attend Bethel and not realize it's all a scam

by sosoconfused in

not that i was any better(lol - but as i sat back and thought about the time i spent there, and the things i saw i feel disgusted.. i could literally write a thousand stories about the discrimination, favortism and all out dishonest that took place but i doubt anyone would actually care.

the one thing however that really sticks out in my mind is when i was in a nice room with my roommate that he kind of inherited after his previous roommate left.

it actually had a bathroom and we both had space for real beds(not those dang trundle beds like we had in standish).. .

Ultimate Axiom

If anyone reading this thread hasn't already done so, I would strongly recommend reading this one: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/160509/1/Warren-Schroeder-from-Bethel-on-Freddy-Kline-and-the-apostate-books And even though many continued as JWs after their Bethel experience, they were never the same again.

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It was never, ever, a warning work, was it?

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

most witnesses i knew were exteeemly reluctant to go out in the ministry.

but when they did, they were simply scraping by, eager to avoid conflict and just do their hour or so speaking to lonely old ladies or widowed old men.

placing magazines in a car group, doing route calls, plodding along in the utter boredom of their responsibility to get some time on a report by the last day of the month.. this was never a warning work.

Ultimate Axiom

I can concur with snugglebunny. In the early 70s we certainly did believe we were doing a vital warning work, and our field service rendezvous points were usually pretty well attended every day, and quite a lot of us were very zealous about the message we had and the role we thought we played. Once I saw through the nonsense of passages like 2 Peter 3:9 it did become merely a matter of putting in the time. And in my last year I quite often didn’t even bother knocking on the door. When I could get away with it I just pretended I did, waited a suitable time, and then moved on. Whether those today feel they are doing a vital warning work I can’t say, but the evidence is they don’t. But do they actually believe the end is near? My sister certainly did, and in her last days of cancer treatment last year, her greatest disappointment was that she would not live to see the “signs in the sun and the moon” that were coming so soon .